The New Order - General Fleet Upgrade
As the Empire continues to grow and thrive, the role of the Imperial Starfleet becomes more and more important. Although the Empire has managed to keep her fleets in working order, many older vessels are now showing their age. Vessels deployed in the earlier days of the Empire, while still expertly mantained, rely on outdated technology. Seeing that this could pose a threat to the Empire as her territories continue to expand, the Imperial High Command has ordered a full-scale upgrade of all existing Imperial vessels, to bring them up to a new standard in terms of onboard weapons, computers, and other vital systems. The plan calls for the retrofitting of some older vessels, and general upgrades on others. With a large upstep in Imperial production giving the Empire a surplus of working vessels, the Empire can begin to rotate older vessles out of duty and outfit them with new technology, as well as giving an oppertunity to train the crews with the new systems.Following standard military procedure, the Imperial Fleet will begin the process of refitting older ships first. Given the number of ships in the Empire, it is expected to take some time for a complete refitting of the Navy, and so vessels in priority sectors will be upgraded first.
This general upgrade will bring all levels of vessels in the Empire to the same level. Any Imperator Class Star Destroyers, for example, will be upgraded to Mark V designs at this time. All vessels will also be catalouged for possible further mantinence or scrapping. These upgrades will facilitate Imperial commanders by once again ensuring a consistent deployment of vessels across the Empire.
Starfighter compliments will also be addressed, with the Empire aiming to give its fleets a consistent force once more. Duty Star Destroyers of the Imperator and Reign classes will now carry one squadron of TIE Defenders, one of TIE Scimitar Bombers, and four of TIE Interceptors as a standard. Vessels assigned to more particular tasks may carry additional Defender sqaudrons in place of one or more Interceptor groups.
Comments
#16 10:10pm 26/05/05
What Simon said.
I wrote up an r and d that is porbably lost on the old board by now stating exactly what the ISD IV and V were. The IV is 1900m in length, the ISD V 2000. It is a matter of adding superior command and control systerms, koceying around weapons with experience (trading in unused ion cannon for needed turboalser turrets). Strengthening shields, adding armor layers - -a sort of overlooked and simple oneupmanship that all empires both real and imagined participate in.
The Empire controls Thyferra and thus has a strict monoply on all bacta - -as it is state run that alone would funnel enough funds (given the ever present wars we are engaged in) to facilitate a gradual upgrade of ships in the field.
One forgets that this would be a laborious process that we are willing to undertake - -the rped and mentioned in the build forums scrapping of a Carrack to build a new Stryker or that Carrack's refit into a Belarus or some such thing.
The Empire is a massive organization and while in IC terms lavish funds are used to create and support an immense machine of war, what is taken in exceeds that which is spent.
One must also remember that while Defenders are expensive, we bely the cost with automation and the creation of massive factory complexes that can turn them out at an alaming - for our enemies - rate. Since the Empire is continually victorious, the coffers of independent governments that have been conquered find their funds channeled to the greater good.
Gloria Imperium indeed
#15 4:59am 25/05/05
Side note: These upgrades were paid for in full by the war reparations paid by the Coalition for being dicks and attacking us at Corellia.
Section 32, Subparagraph F, small print.
Gloria Imperium.
:b
#14 4:11am 25/05/05
You're not stupid, quite the opposite; you're smart enough to know when and how to try and find every little advantage that you can.
I don't like the R&D but it's not really my say. If this does go through, it better have 500 words for each distinct class of ship you want to upgrade, bare minimum.
#13 3:57am 25/05/05
I thought the point of these new rules was to do away with number crunching, Ahnk. And in spite of this, you continue to treat us like children, and you continue to talk about numbers. TNO is probably the most experianced faction here in terms of fleet roleplaying - all of us are well aware that this is not something that will happen overnight. From an IC perspective, this has already been going on (i.e. the development of the Reign Star Destroyer to replace the ISD, the development of the Eternal SD as the next-generation VSD).
Nowhere did I say that this is something that will magically happen and boom!, TNO has a brand new fleet of uber Star Destroyers. I am well aware that it is a process of conversion that will take time. I addressed this in my original post:
[QUOTE]Following standard military procedure, the Imperial Fleet will begin the process of refitting older ships first. Given the number of ships in the Empire, it is expected to take some time for a complete refitting of the Navy, and so vessels in priority sectors will be upgraded first.[/QUOTE]
I know full well this is not something wherein tomorrow I can say "Yes, now all od TNO's ships are upgraded and ready to go!" Just like Dolash knows he could not send his White Knights into battle today and call them hardened, superduper warriors. That will be the final outcome of the White Knight project, certainly, but it takes time to get there.
I apologize if this sounds harsh, but to be frank I don't understand why you continue to tell me things that I already know. I'm hardly stupid with regards to fleet roleplaying, and I know full well what it means to say I'm upgrading an entire fleet of warships.
#12 3:27am 25/05/05
You're talking about a project that took decades. If TNO wants to wait 6 months, then they can go ahead.
#11 3:20am 25/05/05
I would have to agree with that which Galactic Empire scrapped or sell their old Star Destroyers for better ones like old Venator Star Destroyers and Victory Star Destroyer to be replaced for the Imperial Star Destroyers. For example, The Empire sold 250 Victory Star Destroyers to the Corporate Sector Authority to finance for the Imperial Star Destroyers.
#10 3:07am 25/05/05
From my understanding, there's not a lot of difference between the Mark II and Mark III... I thought it carried similar weapons/armour to the Mark II? Perhaps I'm wrong in that regard, but that was the impression I always worked with.
The fact is, the ISDII is some 40 years old at this point, right? So it stands to reason that the Empire would continue to create new classes as the ships were improved. Certainly an ISDV is probably more powerful than an ISDII build 40 years ago. But not due to any increase in weapons. An ISDII built by the GC today will be on par (well, roughly - Imperial engineering is top notch) with the ISDV. The new indicator simply informs the Empire that these are refitted ships.
It also (which I like from an IC pov) shows the Empire's continued military advancement.
I will say that these upgraded ships are more powerful than ships built at the time of Yavin, yes. But they're as powerful, tech wise, as ships built by other factions today/recently. I consider this fair, as technology will increase somewhat in the intervening years.
I apologize for any misconception, I thought it was clear what was going on.
Another note: indirectly, this R&D does increase the power of the Imperial Fleet (as a whole). Older vessels will be scrapped and replaced with newer ships. None of these ships are "better" than ships built recently by other factions, but by replacing older ships with new ones, we do make the Fleet as a whole more powerful.
Hopefully, this is acceptable.
Dolash: with regards to your comment, this is similar to what the GC has been doing. There is, naturally, an RP that will happen with regards to the Fleet and this project. This is simply an OOC record of what will be happening (more or less).
The upgrade will bring all ships to the same tech level, evaluate and replace ships in need of replacement, and the Empire will take this oppertunity to (perhaps) retool the way the Fleet works.
Any other concerns/questions/etc. are, of course, welcome.
#9 2:48am 25/05/05
I would think the Empire's way of life is to defend the galaxy from threats and to show its good relations to other non-humans like for my character, Nihilus is a half-breed of Sith and Chiss and he is the proof of no hatred policy towards aliens. He proudly serves the Empire with great pride and admiralty to wear the Imperial uniform.
Tho, I can't show that now because my internet connection on my computer is gone but I will show it when I move to Perth soon.
#8 12:05am 25/05/05
I was at first a little wary - thinking this seemed like an easier way to accomplish what the rest of the Coalition and I have been working on for some time with the military restoration. But the clarification seems to make this sound more reasonable.
So the upshot of this whole deal is that the Empire just basically makes sure everything is up to par? That sounds quite do-able. The Empire already has all the infrastructure in place, meaning this is only a matter of fixing it up and making sure it does not degrade. The fleet doesn't seem to get any stronger, it is simply brought back up to regular operating levels.
I would say this is more then reasonable, and certainly affordable (What with the Empire's crushing use of slave labour and the cruel exploitation of none-humans), since this is the sort of thing done all the time anyways.
We agree though, once more, that this is not an enhancement or empowering of the fleet, merely you maintaining it.
#7 11:23pm 24/05/05
[quote] Now, if there are concerns with "power", I would appreciate an explanation. Cause none of these are new ships, and so the R&D has little bearing on how powerful they are.[/quote]
The entire OP implies that all imperial craft will now be packed with new technology and power, etc. Putting in a mention of a MKIV reinforces this [mis]conception. Why? Because there's a huge difference between the MKI and MKII ISD, as well as between the MKII and MKIII. It stands to reason that people will think that a MKIV is a lot more gutsy than a MKIII or MKII.
If all you're doing is upgrading software, adding a new com tower and patching that leak in the latrine's, please state explicitly. Otherwise dumb people like the three above might have issues.
#6 5:25pm 24/05/05
[QUOTE=Trinity]
As for TIE Defenders... while that is true, you also have to take into consideration TRF's history. TIE Defenders were, if you'll recall, probably the most common starfighter in the galaxy for a long time. Just because of the way the rules were set. To suddenly say "Oh, NOW all of a sudden they're prohibitively expensive!!!" is ludicrous. Hence the reason why the Empire is trying to create a standard of ONE Defender Squadron per ISD (not six, as in the old days).[/QUOTE]
Oh. I guess I missed that part.
Cheerio.
#5 2:37pm 24/05/05
Wow. Activity!
Um, hate to burst any bubbles, but this is hardly an R&D project, period. It's, as the name implies, a general upgrade of the Fleet. Yes, it's expensive. But less so than scarpping all these ships and building new ones. It's not like we're doing any large-scale conversion of ships, simply upgrading software, communications, etc.
A Mark V ISD, for example, is the classification ships that have undergone this refit will take. It doesn't imply that they're any more powerful than your average Mark II ISD, since weapons compliments are the same. Just that they've been upgraded to the new standard of the Fleet.
As for TIE Defenders... while that is true, you also have to take into consideration TRF's history. TIE Defenders were, if you'll recall, probably the most common starfighter in the galaxy for a long time. Just because of the way the rules were set. To suddenly say "Oh, NOW all of a sudden they're prohibitively expensive!!!" is ludicrous. Hence the reason why the Empire is trying to create a standard of ONE Defender Squadron per ISD (not six, as in the old days).
Now, if there are concerns with "power", I would appreciate an explanation. Cause none of these are new ships, and so the R&D has little bearing on how powerful they are.
#4 2:25pm 24/05/05
May I remind that this would cost quite a bit of money to do this.
I hope the Empire found a planet made of gold or something...
Also, it has been stated that Tie Defenders are extremely expensive to produce (due to advanced weapons, life support, hyperdrive), and they were never produced on a large scale. The Tie Defender thing would also cost quite a bit.
#3 1:28pm 24/05/05
Seems to me a very lazy way of trying to R&D new ships.
This is why there is always a bone of contention about these kinds of 'upgrade techs' where's the limit?
#2 4:09am 24/05/05
I'm with Kas. Way too powerful for 500 words.
And what is a mark V impstar?
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