You mean like you enjoy doing on a regular basis eh Drayson.
I was calling on the other mods that happened to have pointed me towards this as a source not to mention never said a thing about this source being a problem. Getting their say on this would be helpful to see if they have the same reservations about said sight. Seeing how there are multiple mods.
Gue, yes. But Lup does not like me in the first place and is apt to not agree with me most of the time and as such does not.
It is called discussion of points. If this is undermining then you do a heck of a lot of it.
Vonta, why (after two mods have told you you're wrong), do you continue to press the issue? You called for them to speak, they did. Stop trying to undermine them.
If GJO agrees with other sources, use those other sources.
GJO is a group for SWFans, a board that doesnt even use stats for its fleet roleplaying. The section of the board you refer to is made for the NR division of the Greater Jedi order. It lists designs for the benifit of their members, from a long while back, not even in use anymore. You might notice it also includes custom designs from other old major fleeting members, hell, I havent seen Scorp in forever, let alone remember his competency in ship design.
If you can find the ship listed on another, accepted, site link it there. Not GJO.
I cross referenced the GEDB (Galactic Empire Data Bank) stats- 3d shields and 6D hull
ISD I = 3d shields
GED: 4800
GJO: 4800
Strike class cruiser (GEDB) , the Abolisher (GJO).
Both have 6d hulls
GJO abolisher: 1152
GEDB SCC: 1552
Stats fall within a general margin for a 6d hull.
What I said was that GJO is a generally accepted canon stat site. I.E. that their stats are as accurate as most given acceptable sites that you can find on the net. Whether or not it has been reliable in the past is the question and the answer is that it has. That is the issue at hand and on that issue GJO has proven to be a generally reliable source of stat information.
But back on the topic, Gue is right, GJO is simply a fan site, and as such is only so credible.
Sadly, that credibility does not extend far enough for it to be considered a proper resource. You can use it for information, assuming that information is backed up elsewhere, but only for that reason.
Try that they are all accurate just as GJO reference site is an accurate site and that they do not merely, as you so deftly put it, make up their own stats. If they did then all of the stats at all of you listed sites would be wrong as well.
Again this is a problem for mods to address so other mods can please sort this out.
Mmm, well then lots of those same sites that you list are wrong then and made up their own stats that seem to aggree with GJO's stats. Maybe they all make up the same stats then?
Quantifying that last bit for your self then eh?
And griff, Beff, and others. I am the only one that uses the link itself is all.
[quote]Yes but you have allowed the use of many of the stats from that site as accepted TRF canon stats for accurate statistics for combat ships in terms of shield, sublight speeds, hull points, etc.[/quote]
You do not constitute all of TRF. You are the only member of this board I know of that uses GJO as a reference point.
[quote]Unless there is another source that I have been unaware of that we have been using and all of the times that we have been using this site as a canon referance point are incorrect. Thats alot of backlogging to do then. Plus we need another main page to work from then.[/quote]
WTF are you talking about? There are plenty other, approved sites that we use. Star Wars Ships, Hanger Bay, Galactic Empire Data Bank (?), to name a few.
[quote]GJO has been referenced so many times as a source around this site it is not even funny.[/quote]
By you. You are not TRF.
[quote]But the only problem is that virtually all of them are a general Resource sites for some game or another. If I cannot use one resource for another RP site then I cannot use others.[/quote]
Look up. None of those are RPG sites.
[quote]That particular source have holes all over the place. Many of the ships are missing Sublight speed, shields, and hull ratings, crew, passengers...[/quote]
That's because, rather than make up the missing stats (as GJO does), they leave them blank.
So...
[quote]Do you like sticking your foot in your mouth?[/quote]
Then you may want to add some suggestions as too other resource sites for information.
But the only problem is that virtually all of them are a general Resource sites for some game or another. If I cannot use one resource for another RP site then I cannot use others.
GJO is an accuarate site that [u]several R&D mods directed me too[/u], I might add, both mods and staff have been accepting it as a source for a long while now without problems.
The site is one of the most accuarate that I have seen. And it has most of the ship information that we use in TRF ship stats.
That particular source have holes all over the place. Many of the ships are missing Sublight speed, shields, and hull ratings, crew, passengers...
That particular site is horibly incomplete.
How about we let another mod or two drop a word here before you continue on.
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#26 5:21am 18/11/03
You mean like you enjoy doing on a regular basis eh Drayson.
I was calling on the other mods that happened to have pointed me towards this as a source not to mention never said a thing about this source being a problem. Getting their say on this would be helpful to see if they have the same reservations about said sight. Seeing how there are multiple mods.
Gue, yes. But Lup does not like me in the first place and is apt to not agree with me most of the time and as such does not.
It is called discussion of points. If this is undermining then you do a heck of a lot of it.
#25 3:43am 18/11/03
Vonta, why (after two mods have told you you're wrong), do you continue to press the issue? You called for them to speak, they did. Stop trying to undermine them.
If GJO agrees with other sources, use those other sources.
#24 6:48pm 17/11/03
One more time:
GJO is a group for SWFans, a board that doesnt even use stats for its fleet roleplaying. The section of the board you refer to is made for the NR division of the Greater Jedi order. It lists designs for the benifit of their members, from a long while back, not even in use anymore. You might notice it also includes custom designs from other old major fleeting members, hell, I havent seen Scorp in forever, let alone remember his competency in ship design.
If you can find the ship listed on another, accepted, site link it there. Not GJO.
#23 6:02pm 17/11/03
And it yet agrees with other fan sites
I cross referenced the GEDB (Galactic Empire Data Bank) stats- 3d shields and 6D hull
ISD I = 3d shields
GED: 4800
GJO: 4800
Strike class cruiser (GEDB) , the Abolisher (GJO).
Both have 6d hulls
GJO abolisher: 1152
GEDB SCC: 1552
Stats fall within a general margin for a 6d hull.
What I said was that GJO is a generally accepted canon stat site. I.E. that their stats are as accurate as most given acceptable sites that you can find on the net. Whether or not it has been reliable in the past is the question and the answer is that it has. That is the issue at hand and on that issue GJO has proven to be a generally reliable source of stat information.
#22 4:36pm 17/11/03
But back on the topic, Gue is right, GJO is simply a fan site, and as such is only so credible.
Sadly, that credibility does not extend far enough for it to be considered a proper resource. You can use it for information, assuming that information is backed up elsewhere, but only for that reason.
#21 4:01pm 17/11/03
Yeesh.
#20 9:07am 17/11/03
In fact, i'd go as sofar as to say that Gue is the Head R&D mod.
Meaning, you've just totally embarrassed yourself.
#19 7:22am 17/11/03
Ditto...Been saying that.
#18 7:20am 17/11/03
Then stop trying to drive the point and let the Mods handle it.
#17 7:18am 17/11/03
Shakes head...
Try that they are all accurate just as GJO reference site is an accurate site and that they do not merely, as you so deftly put it, make up their own stats. If they did then all of the stats at all of you listed sites would be wrong as well.
Again this is a problem for mods to address so other mods can please sort this out.
#16 7:13am 17/11/03
You just said those sources were wrong because they lacked those stats.
Now you're saying they copied GJO?
Make up your mind.
#15 7:10am 17/11/03
Mmm, well then lots of those same sites that you list are wrong then and made up their own stats that seem to aggree with GJO's stats. Maybe they all make up the same stats then?
Quantifying that last bit for your self then eh?
And griff, Beff, and others. I am the only one that uses the link itself is all.
Could another mod please put a word here.
#14 6:52am 17/11/03
[quote]Yes but you have allowed the use of many of the stats from that site as accepted TRF canon stats for accurate statistics for combat ships in terms of shield, sublight speeds, hull points, etc.[/quote]
You do not constitute all of TRF. You are the only member of this board I know of that uses GJO as a reference point.
[quote]Unless there is another source that I have been unaware of that we have been using and all of the times that we have been using this site as a canon referance point are incorrect. Thats alot of backlogging to do then. Plus we need another main page to work from then.[/quote]
WTF are you talking about? There are plenty other, approved sites that we use. Star Wars Ships, Hanger Bay, Galactic Empire Data Bank (?), to name a few.
[quote]GJO has been referenced so many times as a source around this site it is not even funny.[/quote]
By you. You are not TRF.
[quote]But the only problem is that virtually all of them are a general Resource sites for some game or another. If I cannot use one resource for another RP site then I cannot use others.[/quote]
Look up. None of those are RPG sites.
[quote]That particular source have holes all over the place. Many of the ships are missing Sublight speed, shields, and hull ratings, crew, passengers...[/quote]
That's because, rather than make up the missing stats (as GJO does), they leave them blank.
So...
[quote]Do you like sticking your foot in your mouth?[/quote]
#13 6:38am 17/11/03
Vonta, Raktus is an R&D mod. He knows what he's talking about. Take his word and don't argue.
#12 6:33am 17/11/03
Then you may want to add some suggestions as too other resource sites for information.
But the only problem is that virtually all of them are a general Resource sites for some game or another. If I cannot use one resource for another RP site then I cannot use others.
GJO is an accuarate site that [u]several R&D mods directed me too[/u], I might add, both mods and staff have been accepting it as a source for a long while now without problems.
The site is one of the most accuarate that I have seen. And it has most of the ship information that we use in TRF ship stats.
That particular source have holes all over the place. Many of the ships are missing Sublight speed, shields, and hull ratings, crew, passengers...
That particular site is horibly incomplete.
How about we let another mod or two drop a word here before you continue on.
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