The Rebel Faction

Yeah, Kas. Debating isn't your thing. Go kill some stuff with your guns.

No, Kas, that's bullshit because you're dodging the issue.

You know what Kas? No matter how you try to spin it, Heston said those things. In response to a plea by a community in mourning asking him not to come, he said "We're already here."
THERE IS NO WAY AROUND THIS.

He deliberatly set up the speech to attack the Mayor. Notice how he says "I have message here from the Mayor of Denver, Mr. Wellington Web",,, and holds for boos?

You're holding a pro-gun rally in Littleton, Colorado, ten days after a mass-shooting, and you invite people to attack the mayor who's asked (in the spirit of the people of Denver) for you to not come.

He does not say something like "The Mayor asked us not to come here - he asked us not to come here because our community is in mourning."

He said "The Mayor said 'don't come here.'"

Thet sounds to me like Heston buried himself. Moores splicing of the speech was for time. Was it dishonest and slanderous? Since he published the whole speech on his website linked ironically in his credits, no. It was editted for postterity.

People shouldn't walk away from a movie like Bowling for Columbine nodding their heads. They should look at it as one prespective. The counterperspective to that which is being pitched by the television media.

Moore editting his speech doesn't change the fact that Heston is an asshole. But you don't see it that way, because you like guns.

The fact that the speeches went in as heavilly editted to Moores favor, does not change the fact that Heston said those things. A minor patriotic masturbation does not change the fact that he is an insensitive arms dealer.

Kas:

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Dolash, this reminded me of something you said not too long ago.
Source: [url="http://therebelfaction.com/forums/showthread.php?t=614"]http://therebelfaction.com/forums/showthread.php?t=614[/url]

Unfortunatly that thread was derailed, and you were never questioned as to why you came out of that movie and thought of Heston as a bastard. Why did you think that? I'm willing to bet it's this little clip here.



The viewer sees Heston. The viewer thinks 'That guy', because yes, everyone knows that image. The viewer sees Columbine, and hears Moore say " Just ten days after the Columbine killings, despite the pleas of a community in mourning, Charleton Heston came to Denver and held a large pro-gun rally for the National Rifle Association." User thinks "Man waving gun, gun ralley. Dead kids ten days earlier. Cold hearted bastard.

When the viewer later hears Heston say "... as American's we're free to travel wherever we want in our broad land. Don't come here? We're already here" they think "cold hearted bastard", but they don't hear what he really said.



You came out of the movie thinking of Heston as a cold hearted SOB because Moore edited out parts of Heston's speech that would have made Heston appear human.

You came out thinking that because Moore lied to you.

*Cracks fingers* Ok, time to get to work.

1. I have a lot of reasons not like like Charlton Heston. The first is indeed his "Don't come here" thing, and after comparing the whole speech to that snippet, I don't really care that he edited it, because the rest is pointless. Those first two lines have barbs in them. The way he says "Don't come here? We're already here!" That makes any "We must shoulder the grief" line useless. Besides, just holding a gun-rally - even with the difficulty of cancelling evident - after such a disaster was wrong. If he really wanted to show respect, he could have cancelled the rally and just gone to Littleton to offer his condolences. But no, the rally he held, no matter how much apoligizing he added during it, was one in favour of gun-ownership shortly after kids got guns and shot up a school.

2. There is another reason to dislike Charlton, that second rally he held. After the negative feedback he got from the first, does he have any real excuse to do this again? But he did. Now I don't care what he said and how much he apoligized, he was promoting gun-ownership in a town where that cost a life.

3. The last, and best reason to dislike Charlton is at the end. Moore got his appointment a day in advance, so he wasn't ambushing Charlton or anything. His questions might have been a bit provocative, but after everything he's filmed and shown, he has a right to be, he wants answers from the top gun-promoter to see if he can justify or explain the truths revealed, so he has to be pointed and quick with his questions. But Charlton wouldn't have any of that. He ignored Moore, wouldn't look at the dead girls' picture. He couldn't answer his questions.

There.

Kas, it is not impossible to cancel NRA meetings. It's just unprofitable.