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Vonta and R5
61  3:12am 23/12/03        
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The PIM missiles I believe are what he was refering to.

Not the modified versions.

Each one requires it's own R&D slot as per R&D rule three.

Note another qoute from Kas found in the dread R&D thread where I first brough up the issue where he refers to the Ghost stealth system.

Consuming vast amounts of energy isn't a drawback.
Isn't the Ghost a separate R&D, anyhow? It should be if it isn't.

-kas

The systems should have been marked as sepparate R&Ds to be judged on their own merits sepparately.
Heir Raktus
62  3:25am 23/12/03        
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Has no effect on this thread, the ships are approved and were so before the thread was started. Dont care if no fleet actions have been made yet, its been two days, the thread has been posted, the R&Ds were approved by staff members.


Get posting.
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Vonta and R5
63  4:05am 23/12/03        
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I have three days to make my post amigo.

it is not stalling until I pass that mark.
Omnae
64  11:01pm 23/12/03        
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Issue points:


A) you have no listed launch mechanism that is required for the deployment of a projectile weapon.

This is like saying, you have an SBD rating but you don't say where your shield generator is so you must not have shields. You list weapons but have not R&D'd where they get their power so they must not be able to shoot.

Give me a break.


B) Even lacking a launcher it would be implied that there would be a launcher if you listed how many of these you can fire at once.


Now this is a valid question. But unnecessary since nothing has been fired. Besides, it's not like your people would have advance knowledge of what it can or can't do any way.

Just FYI which Heir could have answered bringing this thread to a total of 2 posts.



What is not in an R&D is just as important as what is listed.

Only on certain issues.

We aren't going to say, you have a hyperdrive rating but you don't list where the hyperdrive motivator is so you must not have it or say because you didn't R&D toilets their must not be any so your peeps take a crap in the coorridors.

It's like saying any ships you have do not list a technical bay to fix any droid crew you may or may not have. So once their hit that's it, they are gone.

Now if he didn't list an SBD rating, then you could say he had no shields.
Vonta and R5
65  1:56am 24/12/03        
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There is still one issue left.

Issue=More then one tech approved per tech.
Additional techs not approved induvidually may be unusable until they are approved induvidually and added as additional techs.


Therfore your arguments against the Ghouls modified PIM's are unfounded as the ship and missles were approved in the same thread as a singular submission.


There you just admitted to breaking R&D rule three (2).

"Every new technology (weapon, sensor, computer, alloy...etc) will demand its very own R&D submission."

Your three missiles are defined as weapons technologies.

And under R&D rule three, as underlined above, every weapons R&D must have it's own R&D slot.

You cannot have Approved the missles in the R&D, the GHOUL, becuase it goes against set R&D rules.

Seeing as you have now stated that you disagree with me and seem to not want to address this between the two of us I well call for a staff member to review this issue to rule on the validity of said issue.

1) Ghost sensor stealth system, in the GHOST tech.

Ghost tech- contains 2 techs

2) The Screamer in the Banshee tech.

Banshee tech- contains 3 techs

3) The matter gravitator in the Banshee tech.
Lupercus Darksword
66  3:29am 24/12/03        
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The only issue i can see is you being arguementative for the sakes of your own material IC/OOC benefit.


In every competitive RP, IMO, your conduct has been increasingly incendiary and generally entirely to the detriment of the RP itself. Here is the perfect example.

Your fleets haven't even met yet, and you're already well, being a @#%$. Thats not cool.


Heres the ruling.

Firstly, for techs approved before the new R&D rules, said rules do not apply. There are numerous examples across TRF of said precendent, and i'm surprised you even raised such a paltry and easily understandable issue.

Oh wow, that was the only issue resolved.


Hell, i approved all of them at some point in their TRF history, and i can see no problems with them now. The only problem in this thread is your continued conduct.
Vonta and R5
67  4:22am 24/12/03        
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The problem, lup, is that if this is indeed legal then you need to change the rules yet again.

Becuase I have defined said R&Ds within R&Ds as going against the rules.

I have an oppertunity to see to something that is contradictory to the current R&D rules, that has been annoying be for sometime now.

If this is not against the rules then rewrite the rules page to reflect it as such.

If rules are not to be followed then what is the point of having them.
Kas
68  4:42am 24/12/03        
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It was said when the new R&D rules came into place that they were not retroactive.
Vonta and R5
69  4:52am 24/12/03        
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Then what was the point of having the rules if the can be bent at will?

Are they only enforced when it is convenient?

Or just for certain people perhaps?

If they are not accurate then they should be changed to reflect new unsaid rules.

Or there is no point of having any rules set in place becuase they only serve to make it difficult for people when someone choses to enforce them.
Lupercus Darksword
70  8:31am 24/12/03        
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WTF? Bent at will? The system was approved even as far back as Kanbal, if i remember correctly.

And irregardless, you're arguing an OOC point which has absolutely no relevance whatsoever to the IC situation.

Get on your bike and get to posting. IC posting.

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