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Which means you're willfully ignoring my point. But that's fine. Have a nice day.

If you agree not to be an Ass, Drayson, I will do the same.

Once again, it does not come down to a question of resources, but to one of time. Which nobody has yet addressed, save for Beff, to some extent.

You seem to be getting the point.

Again, it takes time to adjust yards to build these ships, train workers, program droids, and so on.

Time which Corise has paid attention to in his writing. This is the are of debate and, should it continue; the very issue you should be discussing... Has enough material elapsed IC to explain the production of X? My contention is that, yes... it has.

Then you haven't done enough reading on the subject.

And this is the point, Drayson. You are debating for a disadvataged state because, as evidenced above, you have not read all of the pertinant material. That material is the core of this argument and, as I am about to note again, none of which has been cited!

Is all of that specifically outlined in character? Because, based on previous GC opinions, "obviously" and "logically" is not good enough.

If you took the time to read the IC work done by Corise and the rest of the Coalition you would discover that no, this is not the case. It has all been detailed In Character.

Now, what I would like to know is why this issue is still up for debate. I clearly said - more than once - that I am willing to go ahead and continue the RP with the current number of Pegasus SD's (five).

Because you're still missing the point. The problem is entirely internal and fully situational. And because you are still making points against Corise having said number of imaginary starships but you have yet to provide concrete In Character citations which would indicate that Corise has violated Rule #1.

Once again, read. The Pegasus-class has been in the design process for years now, but until Kashan joined the Coalition, Kashan didn't have the resources to start their production.

And the posted references can be supplied upon request. But as indicated earlier, Corise, I feel that as certain parties levied this complaint against you the burden of evidence is upon those parties and I would not suggest providing defensive In Character type references as above until such time as those parties take up the debate on the same merits I've been touting time and time again in this thread.

That number was never agreed to by anyone save yourself, Demosthenes. I refuse to give an actual number of Pegasus's in existence, because I would be the only one stating how many ships of a certain type exist at one time.

No body is asking this; and if they were I'm sure that the parties requesting such would first provide their own manifests... despite the fact that this flies in the face of abolishing meter counts and such.

I will assure you that there will be no more than 13, as based on Telan's formula, which was agreed to by both sides in the Pegasus-class R&D thread.

Now? Forever? Yesterday? Don't pin yourself down with comments like this because, as evidenced in this thread and others, there are those members that will hold you, literally, at your word until such time as the cows come home wearing tall hats.

My other points apply on a grander theoretical level. And because, as you all well know, I'm a stubborn bastard.

No argument here. Then this thread can cease. Until such time as the aforementioned parties provide the requested evidence.

Thank you.

Stop it Drayson. Your points have been made. Let's not turn this into a mud slinging match.

I said I am willing to go on with that number in mind. And as far as I'm concerned, with regards to a fleet engagement, you will put a definate number on them.

Which isn't enforced any more, is it Drayson? You certianly have the right to request that and given that Corise is generally a very good natured soul, I imagine he might have supplied them... But now, after this, I would not suggest he pay to the parties in question any kindness they are not willing to extend in return.

A question, though: if these ships are as rare as you claim (since you say you field less than 10), why is 50% or more of your Pegasus compliment at one world?

I am about to get very annoyed with you, Drasyon. The answer to this question has nothing to do with the issue, more over the answer to this question can be located In Character. What am I supposed to make of this?

I've accepted that Kashan has the capability to build these ships, even if I diagree with the very short time it has taken them to do so. I trust that you will adhere to the common sense rule and play with them accordingly. So far, imo, you do not seem to be doing so. You appear to be throwing them around.

How gregarious of you, Drayson. On one hand you pledge acceptance then within the same paragraph, turn around and counter your own statement of acceptance. If you feel that, in your opinion, Corise is flaunting Rule #1... excuse the language; Fucking proove it. I'm not going to ask again. Stop making generalized insults, they are not constructive and serve no positive purpose.

But let's see where the IC thread goes, shall we?

Let's just do that, shall we? Oh wait, you're talking about the In Character one... Hmmm...

Enough.

You can ask. And thank you for considering my opinions and the opinions of others. If you would like me to remove myself from the discussion I shall; you need only ask. My points have been made with resounding clarity and my withdrawl from this discourse in no way disqualifies their validity. I will leave your points preceeding this one unmet as they have no impact on the issue as made known by Kach initially. And I will oblige.

Very well, I see the logic in the deployment of the Pegasus now, though I still have trouble with the speed of deployment.

Play on, Demo.

It appears there has been some agreement on this issue - I've tried to stay out of it, since even though Omnae isn't around, this sort of debate is not my forte - so I hope that all parties can move forwards amicably.

These sorts of arguments happen all the time at TRF, though it's been a while since we've had one of this caliber (I think the last one was over the BDE/GC war before we came to an agreement). Nevertheless, it's still early days yet in this battle and further disputes might come up.

Assuming that this issue is indeed settled, I ask that you both try and keep it from darkening the tone of the story. Drayson, I know you've been out of it for a while, so I hope your skin is still as thick as I remember. Corise, you've had comparatively fewer TRF OOC arguments, so I hope this hasn't soured your desire to write any. This reply might come off as vague and unnecessary, but I want to put it out there that this story and battle has great potential and there's a lot of it left to write.