The Rebel Faction

Kas, I AM a christian, and i DONT like you thinking that your conservative catholocism is "christianity".

Milkshake, if you are insinuating that Catholics are not Christians, I suggest you study a little bit about your own faith.

*Let me announce now that I am a Catholic, and thus am obviously biased*

Catholicism is the orginal basis of Christanity. The "main tree" out of which other denominations branched off of. (Although many of Eastern Orthodox faith will claim their own church as the orginal doctrine, and have some credit to that argument.)

And Conservative Catholicism is definitly christian, if somewhat extremist. Mainstream Catholics (like myself, and somewhere in the region of 65 million Americans) follow the tenets of the Catholic faith, but ignore ideas which seem to extreme.

Also Dolash, you stated earlier that the Pope is some perfect figure. He is not.
The Pope is elected to lead the Catholic Church- but that doesn't means hes some god incarnite. He is a man, like all other men, chosen to help guide his people spirtually. His word, while highly respect, is not law to Catholics. The same goes for the words and teachings of bishops and preists.

Catholics are guided by the clergy, but answerable to God first and foremost.

I can't get involved in debates like these anymore, but this one was tempting...

From this thread...

The lack of character and moral fortitude in the world these days is simply disturbing. Far too many peope seem to think we live in a world where anything goes. The whole "politically correct" farce has got to stop. It doesn't matter what you've managed to convince yourself, RIGHT and WRONG still exists and those things which were wrong yesterday are wrong today. FACT still exists, not everything can be diluted to opinion. Fact cannot be changed just because a group of people lack the self disipline to do what is right. Being BORN or certain way does not necessarily make something correct, nor can something be called right just because it FEELS GOOD, or NATURAL. Get a grip people!

Oh god... what have I been thinking all of my life? Here I was, living my life as some out of control, "disipline" lacking lesbo-heathen, but reading this brings it all into perspective

Mostly, i just want gash to understand that there IS a liberal branch of christianity, despite how cruddy i may be at describing it.

No, Milkshake, there is not. There are liberal Christians who bizarrely disagree with some tenets of their own religion while embracing others; there are individual churches (mostly in Canada and Europe) where a more liberal and progressive version of Christianity is practiced; but there are no liberal wings of Christianity. Even the sects that manage to appoint gay bishops end up having nearly all of their members threaten to leave.
If you think your sect -- whatever it is, I've long forgotten -- is any more liberal than Catholicism, Lutheranism, Mormonism or the Baptists, that is just plain wrong. My parents are Catholics and were liberals before the corporate monster ate them up and spat them out as grinning suburbanites. But by going to a Catholic church and paying Catholic dues, they still contribute to a vastly conservative organization.

Sad about your parents, though.

Whats wrong with his parents?

They embraced the tenents of a faith, I assume of there own accord.

Just becuase they changed their mind and were no lober "liberal" doesn;t mean they have fallen from grace or lost their minds. I mean come on, thats a terrible viewpoint to have- when you express pity for those who have differing opinions from your own.

You may disagree. You may think their viewpoint is wrong. But if others choose not to agree with you, or share your beliefs its there perogative.

You can sincerly try to sway their opinion or change beliefs, but you shouldn't say that simply because they are "X belief" that you are "sad."

lol @ Vega.


And that quote was coming from a guy whose favorite band is called Cradle of Filth no less.