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Ralen MeVere
11  4:49am 21/01/04        
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A lot of it was their unwillingess to adapt to new times.

Their politics and refusal to have a permanent military force in Rome/Italy helped lead to their downfall.

The Roman Empire got too snug and tried to follow the same principles they had followed when they formed, and not a new principle for how to rule.

So between internal problems and the lack of an Italian army (just scattered garrisons) the Barbarians managed to hit the practically undefended Rome, and completely take control.
Park Kraken
12  5:50am 21/01/04        
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Hey Ralen, did the invasion of Japan by the Mongolians occure before or after Khan's death?
Ralen MeVere
13  5:54pm 21/01/04        
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I'm pretty certain the Mongols never actually invaded Japan. I hope you're not basting that assumption off of the "Mongol Invasion" Expansion of Shogun Total War....

That entire thing was a "what if the Mongols hit Japan?"
Park Kraken
14  6:56pm 21/01/04        
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The Mongolians did in fact invade Japan. Their fleet was large, and carried 100,000 warriors across the Yellow Sea to Japan. The Mongolians qucikly established a beach head, and defeated the main Japanese army. Japan was about to fall when a Typhoon came in and blew away the Mongolian fleet, sinking some, and dashing others to pieces on the rocks. Without their food, and supplies, the Mongolians were in deep doo-doo. Indeed, within a few weeks the Japanese army and militia rallied, and slaughtered all 100,000 or so Mongolian warriors trapped on Japan. Because of the decisive intervention of the Typhoon, the Japanese invented the name Kamikaze, meaning "Divine Wind".

I just forgot what year(s) the Mongolians invaded.
Sully Anre
15  8:30pm 21/01/04        
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Somehow, all this talk is making me want to go play Civilization II
Park Kraken
16  8:33pm 21/01/04        
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Civilization II sucks. Play a better game? Medieval Total War, or Cossacks, or American Conquest.
Sully Anre
17  8:50pm 21/01/04        
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I have Shogun: Total War. That is a fantastic game.

Makes me want to be a Samurai.
Park Kraken
18  9:26pm 21/01/04        
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You should get Medieval: Total War, and then Viking Invasion. You get better siege weaponry, better units, and other cool features, like the ability to launch Crusades if you are Catholic nations, and is currently in the pope's good graces. The biggest Crusade I'd ever assembled numbered 13,000 before it reached Constantinople.
Ralen MeVere
19  9:35pm 21/01/04        
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I'm going to have to kick your ass on multiplayer one of these days Kraken.


Medieval: Total War is probably one of my favorite games, ranking up there with Morrowind definitely.
Park Kraken
20  11:12pm 21/01/04        
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Oh no you don't Ralen *Digs out the Cheat Codes*

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