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11  9:37pm 03/04/04        
shadows collide with people
I know, I read that article. Way to go Canada :D
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I take a second walk down the street of fame
I've paid it off and paid for it again
All these miserable feelings never end
But to fall and be down's something I transcend[/size]
12  9:37pm 03/04/04        
friend of the sleeping pill
Gash once again manages to rip off the hard work of a band to look smart and witty! *applause*
As opposed to when you rip me off to look smart and witty?
13  9:53pm 03/04/04        
Internaut
Gash once again manages to rip off the hard work of a band to look smart and witty! *applause*

What are you talking about? That's radiohead's website.

Besides, Dolash, Canada's wonderful court system has decided that downloading music isn't illegal.

No, no. Sharing music isn't illegal. Downloading is, I believe. There's a difference between making the product available, and actually ripping the product off.
14  10:47pm 03/04/04        
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Jedi Masterwan ... ... Shaken, Not Stirred
downloading music is bad, mmmmmmkay?

and are you sure about that kas? Because i could swear its the other way around...

Downloading music essentially petty theft, do you really want theft on your conciounce? (power to those who cannot spell)
Bananas
15  10:50pm 03/04/04        
shadows collide with people
I can't say it's ever made me feel guilty, Jiminy Cricket.
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I take a second walk down the street of fame
I've paid it off and paid for it again
All these miserable feelings never end
But to fall and be down's something I transcend[/size]
16  11:02pm 03/04/04        
Internaut
It's not theft. It's counterfeit. To be theft there it would have to involve the loss of a physical item, and thus, the loss of actual money. Sharing music involves making unlimited copies of an item, effectively reducing its value. An indirect loss of money.

For the record, no, I don't make it a habit to pirate music. The most I'll do is download a song to hear what people are talking about. I could accomplish the same thing by listening to the radio and recording that, or by listening to an internet radio station, it's just faster this way.

P2P is magic for indie musicians though, easy and free way to get your stuff into the market.
Fleet Commander Zell
17  11:55pm 03/04/04        
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It's not theft. It's counterfeit. To be theft there it would have to involve the loss of a physical item

That's not true... identity theft is not the act of stealing someone's physical identity...

Besides theft is defined as the act or instance of stealing, which is defined as to take the property of another without their permission. So yes it is theft. But do I have feel as if I've done something terribly wrong if I download music online? No... not at all...
18  4:14am 04/04/04        
Return of the King of the Cafe!
And hey, why the hell should I care if the courts say it's all right? Just because someone decides you can do it doesn't mean you should do it. Smoking, for example.
19  10:32pm 04/04/04        
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the bitch is back
Dolash: because you said it was wrong, which is no longer true (from a legal standpoint, at any rate).

Kas: explain. It's legal to make something available, but not for someone else to take it?

File sharing was deemed legal, implying that the act of downloading and sharing music is not against the law, no?
20  12:04am 05/04/04        
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Sharing the file was ruled as legal. I read nothing in the article that said that downloading shared music was legal.

The judge who ruled said he saw no difference between sharing music, and having a copy-machine in a library. Thus, it's not against the law to provide the product, it's against the law to take the product.

I could be missing something though, and the fellow may have ruled that all music sharing is legal (both sharing and taking), in which case he would have just put the music industry out of business entirely.

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