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11 8:20pm 19/08/07

Is dead. Would rather not be.

Uh. . .

Right.

Slight problem. I think Simon and I may be working from a slightly different timetable. I based most of my timetable on Telan's "Empire at War: Cut, Slash, Run," in which he states pretty clearly that the Imperial fleet doesn't arrive at Onyx until five days after the Empire has declared the Commonwealth to be rogue. Most of the events I've written so far have taken place in the last three days of the five day time period, the only exception being my last post, which started with the same message Telan's fleet transmitted at the end of his thread.

The problem comes from Simon's "They were in the second week of the evacuation" statement. I'm still on day one of the two-week "grace period" TNO has given us to evacuate people, and presumably, Corise's ships showed up either on day one, or soon after. Seeing as it took me 12,000 words to cover three days, I'm sure you can see how having an entire week magically disappear could prove problematic for me.

Beff Pike

12 10:15pm 19/08/07

Bounty Hunter

The nub calls out the vet.

I love it.

Omnae

13 6:07pm 20/08/07

Kneel Before Zod!

I think Simon and I may be working from a slightly different timetable. I based most of my timetable on Telan's "Empire at War: Cut, Slash, Run," in which he states pretty clearly that the Imperial fleet doesn't arrive at Onyx until five days after the Empire has declared the Commonwealth to be rogue.

No. 5 Days after annexation. This is 5 days into the 2 week period. The Commonwealth was declared rogue after Bilbringi attack and before Regrad's visit.

Most of the events I've written so far have taken place in the last three days of the five day time period, the only exception being my last post, which started with the same message Telan's fleet transmitted at the end of his thread.

Yes. Your thread starts 2 days after Hyfe's proposal, which Regrad transmitted to his House of Reps, and 2 days into the 2 week period.

Your last post puts the bulk of your work between the 2nd and 5th days (so far) into the 2 week period.

I'm still on day one of the two-week "grace period" TNO has given us to evacuate people, and presumably, Corise's ships showed up either on day one, or soon after.

umm.. no. Corise's ships cannot show up on day 1 because on day 1 of the evac, the Confederation was still a part of the Coalition. Regrad has to travel from Coruscant to House of Representatives to meet (and presumably to have his decision ratified). They meet and grudgingly agree to the decision Regrad made. The Confederation did not and so had a meeting themselves and opted for the painful decision to break from Coalition (then to reroute transports...travel time..etc?). With all this drama going on, Smarts is taking charge (it seems) of the evac.

Now Dolash is going from where he is to OZ via Sinsang. Since 5 days have already passed of the 2 week period so with Dolash and Corise's post (coupled with mine), I figured 2 more days was not alot to make mention of.

Corise Lucerne

14 7:09pm 20/08/07

Confederation Admiral

umm.. no. Corise's ships cannot show up on day 1 because on day 1 of the evac, the Confederation was still a part of the Coalition...The Confederation did not and so had a meeting themselves and opted for the painful decision to break from Coalition (then to reroute transports...travel time..etc?). With all this drama going on, Smarts is taking charge (it seems) of the evac.

Not necessarily. The Confederation already has a transport fleet within the Onyxian Commonwealth at Ord Mantell since at least before the day of the Battle of Bilbringi as notedhere. Therefore, there already is a fleet already there.

It is a question of issuing the orders to the fleet. Luckly, there is faster-than-light communications with the holonet, or more commonly, with a series of relay subspace transcievers. As the Supreme Commanding Officer of Confederation forces, Corise can, and did issue the orders to pick up the civilians without having to wait on a decision by the Contegorian Confederation via an executive order.

Daemon Hyfe

15 9:00pm 20/08/07

The Emperor<br> Almighty Bastard

Omnae is never wrong.

Never.

Omnae

16 9:06pm 20/08/07

Kneel Before Zod!

Corise, it's not the speed the orders were transmitted from Lucern's lips and relayed via hyperspacial holonet to Tobias' ears that really keeps your forces from acting on Day 1. It's the fact that your post indicated your orders were not issued until after the event of the Confederation's breaking took place.

Telan Desaria

17 10:42pm 20/08/07

Imperial Baron-Admiral<br><i>I am more honourable than thou!</i>

edited out by Beff
Moving along....

My thread began five days into the grace period. The Onyxian Commonwealth was declared rogue when the Emperor decried it - my arrival was five days into that leaving approximately ten to go (since we're not sure if an SW week is 7 days).

Anything else I can contribute???

[size=1]Requiem en Terra Pax[/size]

Smarts

18 10:49pm 20/08/07

Is dead. Would rather not be.

The following quotes are taken from "Empire at War: Cut, Slash, Run"

The last post begins with:

Five Days after Annexation of the rogue Onyxian Commonwealth as an Occupied State

. . . later, in the same post: (relevant segment in larger font and bold print)

" Captain Vorran: broadcast the Grand Marshal's message on all bands, all frequencies and repeat it until fruther notice. There will be no excuses this time."

* * *

TO ALL POPULATION CENTERS OF THE IMPERIAL OCCUPATION ZONE COMPRISING THE FORMER ONYXIAN COMMONWEALTH

Martial Law is going into effect as soon as the Imperial Fleet has secured the zone. Due to seditious acts and multiple violations of the Coalition Charter creating the independent state of Onyxian Commonwealth, and due to that independent state's acts of war against the Galactic Empire, it has been decreed then, as a prevention of future renegade acts, this region shall be governed by the agents of His Most August Imperial Majesty, Daemon Hyfe.

It is recognized that those civilians loyal to the Coalition Charter may have been trapped by the Empire's rapid response to the rogue state's illegal activities. As such, [size=4]our benevolent Emperor extends to you an amnesty of two weeks for you to depart the Occupation Zone for a Coalition Proper port of call of your choice[/size]. If you deign to remain within the Occupation Zone, you will surrender any and all weapons not needed for personal defense to the Imperial Occupation Forces.

You are required to obey all aspects of Martial Law and participate in Pacification initiatives. The extent of your freedoms will be dependent upon your continued compliance and efforts to support Pacification.

Please look to your local Occupation Zone Headquarters for timely instructions and learn how you can have a part in the rebuilding, reconstruction and reconditioning that is Pacification. Only together can we bring peace, security and order back to the region.

Gloria Imperium!

Five days, and then—quite separately—an additional two weeks. The first five day period, I would assume, Telan's forces are wandering about the Commonwealth, blowing up freighters and charging through planetary systems (such as Ord Mantell), as evidenced by his previous posts.

Edit: I posted this before I saw Telan's post, but I still stand by what I read in Telan's Empire at War thread. I don't think that retcon exists at TRF; please correct me if I'm wrong.

Beff Pike

19 10:57pm 20/08/07

Bounty Hunter

Heh.

If I read this correctly the miscommunication arose between Telans' and Simon; with Smarts being caught in the middle having based his work on one while the other, at least at a glance, seems contradictory. Even I can excuse the misunderstanding as, in my reading, I was under the same impression as our dear Smarts.

Omnae does not lie - his the master of this universe and if he says it, it is done.

Okay. Enough. I love Om as much as the next guy, maybe more-so. But even I am getting sick and tired of seeing the "Infallible Om" thrown around, joking or not, as often as it is. Rest assured, while we Vets may understand just fine the annectodal nature of the statement others, particularly newer members, may not understand this and, as a matter of course, will perceive an inequality between TNO and the rest of TRF given that, by and large, TNO is Simon Kaine.

So let's be rational shall we. Omane is still human and prone to being... human. I love you Omane, you're a paragon of TRF - but I beg of you that, much as they jest at my homosexuality...

Well.

Dolash

20 11:04pm 20/08/07

Return of the King of the Cafe!

I believe I grasp the crux of the disagreement. Allow me, if I may, to intervene.

The question is wether the two weeks started the moment the deal was made on Coruscant, or five days later when Telan shows up. If the two weeks start from when Telan says so, that would bring the total number of days from the surrender on Coruscant to the takeover to be 19 days. If, however, the two weeks started the moment Hyfe and Regrad agrees, then the time between the agreement and takeover is 14 days.

Is there any evidence to say the two weeks was declared during the meeting? If so, then it could be understood that Telan meant to imply this in his declaration.

The reason why this is relevant depends on what Telan was doing in those five days between the agreement and Telan's arrival. If he's been blowing up ships in Onyx during those five days, like he was during the brief war, then the first five days of the official evacuation might have been spent being blasted by Imperials or not. That would put waves of evacuees at risk, as well as the Cooperative because they act during this time period.

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