The Rebel Faction

Well to be fair, we were operating on what we had been told in what we believed to be the corrent manner. Jumping the gun is hardly fair, considering I believe Ahnk told us suggesting that the deal had been completed and we would not encounter BDE, but the Cree'Ar.

I'm sure we can address this issue and edit as necessary to accomodate a BDE-held Adumar, right?

If you had have been around, Gue, we could have actually discussed this.

Well I'm glad to see we all agree at least that the entire thread is messed up.


:p

The problem with not being able to use ships for a thread if they happen at different times is that he can tie up a ridiculously large amount of my forces (In fact, all of my forces) with just a single ship (In this case, it's an SSD, but you get the point) and then attack me elsewhere at a 'later date' and I would have nothing to defend myself with, because the other forces 'may or may not have' survived.

The force at Tammar is unspecified in size (as the rules now allow, right?) so I made sure to include in the Kubindi thread that this commander and his forces arrived too late at Tammar for the outcome of that battle without listing just what happened at that battle. A single battlegroup give or take probably wouldn't tip the outcome of the battle at Tammar, so I felt this sounded more or less reasonable.

So if the problem is me firing on the Dreadnought for two posts, here is my quote:

"Then, like a bowling ball, a huge lump of matter came crashing down to the ground amongst them, breaking apart and tearing Necrotroopers in its' descent! Above, the defenders turned and saw the pursuing Longswords had arrived, and the Projectors laid terrible waste to enemy numbers as Kris starfighters strafed the Necrotrooper formations."

A huge lump of matter describes a Projector shot from the a Longsword - a Kris's shot would be much smaller, more like an actual bowling ball. This I thought signified that the Longsword arrived shooting.

As such, the enemy was under fire by a half-dozen frigates. I admit, I admit, I don't know just what ships can enter the atmosphere - and, I also admit, that my assumption here was since the Longsword is of the same class as the Dreadnought, it could very well be able of atmospheric flight. Sometimes it's hard to remember or guess just what needs to be said, and what can be assumed. It is assumed the ship probably has fire extinguishers, but it is not assumed it has weapons, so those have to be stated. This might be a problem, but it is the source of my assumption.

So, because the ship was under fire for two rounds, I assumed by the second round it'd be melting and ruinous. Estro and I debated over AIM about the falling-in thing - I had always been of the opinion that blasting a hole straight through the crust was too much to do in one round (though it was ruled fair), and even he insisted the hole would be small, which is why I said:

"the central wreck of the starship was sucked down into the hole."

I was careful to specify the central wreck - during the preceding paragraphs, I describe that the midsection of the ship was becoming a melted, blasted, battered slag-heap in the middle of the ship, and as the ship is a somewhat rectangular/oblong shape, it'd be that middle section that'd fall down the hole.

Now, from that line springs my assumptions about the conclusion of this current part of the battle - firstly, that the bridge would be separated from the reactor, or too damaged to give any order to set it off. The reactor might not even be in the city, if it was in the back third of the ship.

Secondly, that the wreck lands on the enemy. The big assumption here was where they were landing in the city - I assumed on a road, or something clear and flat, because landing on top of a building would make their deployment difficult. So, the Dreadnough chunck falls down and splatters them to the road, causing minimal damage to the surrounding buildings (Maybe enough to collapse those damaged by their previous bombs, though.)

Thirdly, that this cuts short the majority of their attack plans. Yes, it was going back in time - it would have been better, had I thought of it, to describe instead the actions of my soldiers running concurrent to their attacks on the various installations. I was irritaited that he would somehow immediately know where we'd store a map with the secret location to Azguard on it, without so much as one source, spy, city map, or anything.

For the record, I did argue that post 9 was too long, and was shut down, both here and on AIM. My post 10 was under protest, still in heavy disagreement to the situation, which was why it consisted of me doing a concurrent action that cut his plan off neatly.

I stand by what I've reasoned so far - I did say that I was firing, I fired for two turns with a great deal of fire against two unsupported, static targets. The Dreadnought that launched its' land attack was foiled somewhat when the damage we inflicted caused a chunck to rip off and fall into the city, on top of those of his men who had deployed fast enough to be involved.

I allowed for some to get into the city, certainly, so that those actions he had specifically acted out and not just ordered happen (Attacking the Comm station, taking the "Queen") could have happened, so in that way I wasn't necessarily overwritting what he had said.

My main point of consternation was that in a few minutes, without maps or information beforehand, he finds a vital and probably restricted communications facility, takes it, and downloads the location of Azguard despite the fact that I still see no reasonable reason why you'd find it there.

There are things I want to know about the Empire, but I've learnt my lesson from past mistakes and I'm taking a seriously long, cirtuitous route with "Visionary Two" to find out things that wouldn't even translate into strategic advantages or war-winning information, like their policy of genocide and support of the darkside. To do a charge with suicide troops into a city could have worked, I guess, but he didn't have any of the information he needed to launch the attack, like who leads Kubindi (A President, not a Queen) or where they would keep such valuable information or why they'd have it.

I stand by what I have said so far, for it seems reasonable to me. His ship is too damaged to self-destruct (See quote of attack). My plan to foil his attack was dropping a chunck of ship on him. He has no real information on where to look for the location Azguard, and if he did, why would the location of Azguard be on Kubindi? Least of all in some Comm-station, where it could be sent to others? These are my main points.

Im also of the opinion most of these attacks are happening in the same time perioid, not days ahead of each other. I post with the assumption that my attack thread posted one day after the last attack thread, happens in the time frame of the last post of the last attack thread and all threads started in the war occur in similar fashion. IE: Most of the planetary assaults only occur hours apart, post per post with replies to other threads.