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<b>Taj Daemun<br><i>Worship Me</b></i>
Im proud of Greivious' work, and of our own legality becuase of it. Now I feel, as a group, we are a level higher and closer to the realism we'd all love to achieve...
Internaut
For a moment there, I thought you were going to say that you and your group was closer to nirvana than ever before.
fuck that duck
That's their problem, Kas. If they chose to go that route, good for them. I don't give a rats ass if you got burned too, it's still your fault more than anyone elses (by you I mean the staff, which I'm sure you've gathered by now). You sitting there saying "I suffer too!" doesn't make it any less true. It just makes it look like you're trying to avoid blame.
I have already scrapped more than 100 ships because of a mistake the staff made. I am "legal" (though I cannot speak for the rest of TNO, I know Omnae and Kraken are doing or have done likewise). I don't care if I have to scrap ships anymore.
I just find it incredibly stupid that you make everyone suffer and lose their work because you fucked up. The least you could do is say "Sorry guys, we fucked up, here's some substantial time to repair the damage."
You haven't done that. You've sat there and said "Scrap some shit or when you get attacked, you have no ships. Oh, and since this effects me to it's somehow not my fault."
Sure, it's easier. That doesn't make it fair by any means. It would be easier for me to copy and paste chunks from Timothy Zahn's books into a takeover, but we have rules against that because it's not fair. Nor is it fair to take people's work and destroy it for your mistakes.
I have already scrapped more than 100 ships because of a mistake the staff made. I am "legal" (though I cannot speak for the rest of TNO, I know Omnae and Kraken are doing or have done likewise). I don't care if I have to scrap ships anymore.
I just find it incredibly stupid that you make everyone suffer and lose their work because you fucked up. The least you could do is say "Sorry guys, we fucked up, here's some substantial time to repair the damage."
You haven't done that. You've sat there and said "Scrap some shit or when you get attacked, you have no ships. Oh, and since this effects me to it's somehow not my fault."
Sure, it's easier. That doesn't make it fair by any means. It would be easier for me to copy and paste chunks from Timothy Zahn's books into a takeover, but we have rules against that because it's not fair. Nor is it fair to take people's work and destroy it for your mistakes.
[size=1]"So the woman asked me what I wanted on the sandwich and I said I do not care it is for a duck, and she was like oh then it's free. I was not aware that ducks eat for free at Subway. It's like give me a chicken fajita sub, but don't worry about ringing it up, it is for a duck.”
-Mitch Hedberg
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Internaut
Life isn't fair. Sometimes things happen.
Deal with it.
Conversation - over.
Deal with it.
Conversation - over.
fuck that duck
That statement only applies to acts of God and/or things that couldn't have been prevented.
[size=1]"So the woman asked me what I wanted on the sandwich and I said I do not care it is for a duck, and she was like oh then it's free. I was not aware that ducks eat for free at Subway. It's like give me a chicken fajita sub, but don't worry about ringing it up, it is for a duck.”
-Mitch Hedberg
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D2K Style
Izzy, PM me your AIM screename (I need you on my list before you can IM me), and we'll talk about this. Ahnk and I have had a lenghty discussion covering an issue you're dancing around and I want to see what your take on it is and give you some insight I got from Ahnk.
Well okay, you can vote for Bush, but if I go to war it's on your head.
<b>Taj Daemun<br><i>Worship Me</b></i>
Just a Note:
Izzy might be legal, but all of TNO needs to be for it count.
Like I hear so much about BDE, They might have their parts inside the group, but they are all considered one group.
Izzy might be legal, but all of TNO needs to be for it count.
Like I hear so much about BDE, They might have their parts inside the group, but they are all considered one group.
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Blink If You Can Hear Me
Omnae is legal, and I believe he said Kraken is legal too.
The rest of TNO will follow.
The rest of TNO will follow.
OS: In a world of bon-bons, you are a twinkie.
Ahnk: God damn you, I am Count Chocula and you know it.
I'm not spending my anniversary night thumping my head against the wall. - Damalis, on Moderating TRF
Then tell him you want it harder, damnit! - Ahnk, on Damalis
<b>Taj Daemun<br><i>Worship Me</b></i>
Gash's former assets being handled by? Or those others no one claims....
*Replots the VC takeover to a shipless, defenseless TNO*
*Replots the VC takeover to a shipless, defenseless TNO*
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Kneel Before Zod!
Ok guys.
Drayson, I understand your point. When this was brought up it should have been discussed more before such drastic actions were taken. Because it seems like only one person had the "correct" view of the rules and he is the only one around who had a hand in writing them.
As a staffer, I can say that the ignorance rule that is being applied to roleplayers is the same rule that should be applied to staffers. We did not question it ourselves and so we did not recognize this error being committed by other groups.
It has been brought up that as a staffer, it is our job to police or to have caught this early on. And yet, the reason groups were not notified or even checked for this is because 90% of the staff did not know of this understanding themselves (as shown by their own losses).
I know you could care less about everyone else's own pain at losing their ships and all... Your fleets do represent work. They represent work for everyone.
We as staff have to care about everyone else's pain and, in this, it does seem the greater part of practicality to bring everything in line with this understanding. Such is the nature of fleet roleplaying management.
And for the loss of that work, to everyone: I am sorry. We are sorry.
The same sort of anger was brought up during the last fleet restart and some groups had to bite the bullet and go with it.. much to their angst.
This time, all groups (including TNO) bites the bullet. I cannot say it will be the last time this happens either because in fleet roleplaying situations are diverse and always changing.
However, I can promise that the next time something this major is brought up, we aren't going to be lemmings following the poor hapless rodent that, in his haste, tossed himself over the cliff. I would caution groups not to act before staff has a chance to review and discuss the issue. In the future such action is taken at your own risk.
FYI to all: Once a decision has been made, though, it will be complied with. You may hate it, you make think it's a "shitty deal" and you may even say so in post. But it is pointless to argue a position that has already been decided on as it only undermines your own position and privileges.
Drayson, I understand your point. When this was brought up it should have been discussed more before such drastic actions were taken. Because it seems like only one person had the "correct" view of the rules and he is the only one around who had a hand in writing them.
As a staffer, I can say that the ignorance rule that is being applied to roleplayers is the same rule that should be applied to staffers. We did not question it ourselves and so we did not recognize this error being committed by other groups.
It has been brought up that as a staffer, it is our job to police or to have caught this early on. And yet, the reason groups were not notified or even checked for this is because 90% of the staff did not know of this understanding themselves (as shown by their own losses).
I know you could care less about everyone else's own pain at losing their ships and all... Your fleets do represent work. They represent work for everyone.
We as staff have to care about everyone else's pain and, in this, it does seem the greater part of practicality to bring everything in line with this understanding. Such is the nature of fleet roleplaying management.
And for the loss of that work, to everyone: I am sorry. We are sorry.
The same sort of anger was brought up during the last fleet restart and some groups had to bite the bullet and go with it.. much to their angst.
This time, all groups (including TNO) bites the bullet. I cannot say it will be the last time this happens either because in fleet roleplaying situations are diverse and always changing.
However, I can promise that the next time something this major is brought up, we aren't going to be lemmings following the poor hapless rodent that, in his haste, tossed himself over the cliff. I would caution groups not to act before staff has a chance to review and discuss the issue. In the future such action is taken at your own risk.
FYI to all: Once a decision has been made, though, it will be complied with. You may hate it, you make think it's a "shitty deal" and you may even say so in post. But it is pointless to argue a position that has already been decided on as it only undermines your own position and privileges.