The Empire woudl have never, ever left standing usable planetary defenses on a planet they abandoned. The weapons would have been destroyed either by bombardment by fleeing ships or making the reactor go critical.
Why, do you ask? Because they're the Empire. They wouldn't leave them, they'd help their enemys. At least by destroying them they force their enemys to buy new ones, an enormous cost, to say the least.
So, where did you get your turbolasers?
I want to see some canonical references to that to even consider that. When most planets went independent, their defences weren't destroyed. Want a canonical example? Bakura. The Empire didn't destroy the defences when they ceeded the planet to the Alliance. Moreover, you, like Demos, now have the burden of proof to show otherwise, since Metalorn has already been rped as having them before this allegation came up.
Yes, Jan, you can quote the EGWT all you like. My point is there are other canon sources that contradict what it says. And canon "primary sources", as it were - the EG is very much a "secondary source" compared to the novels themselves.
Is it? Many novelists make errors themselves, especially since they're not as familar with technology as they should be in most cases to begin with. Drayson has just brought that up in regards to the X-wing series.
With regards to partical shields themselves, my point was to compare the "always-on" partical shields to "combat shields" - that is, the high powered shields designed to protect a ship from laser fire. Always-on partical shields are, like I said, not designed to stop high explosive warheads. Combat shields, arguably, are.
Common sense rule again. Two, is there any proof for the existence of special combat particle shields?
"Yes," Gilford replied, "But be careful to hit defensive targets only. We want to damage as little of the planet's infrastructure as possible. And make sure to stay out of the enemy surface weaponry's range. They can't hit us right now- thank deus they haven't upgraded the origional defensive weaponry- but if we get much closer they can.
Yet again, don't define what my forces can and cannot do if you don't have evidence for it. There is no reason why an LNR wouldn't have as great as range if not a larger one. Turbolaser technology in most cases hasn't made leaps and bounds since the clone wars, the only exceptions being some of them used on TRF-specific faction vessels. Moreover, a LNR is significantly larger than most of the weapons on your fleet. The only one that might come close to size is the STLs on your Astrus, and that's still debatable. With the exception of your Raptors and possibly the STLs, any turbolaser on the fleet is not capable of both being in firing range and not within an LNR's. ANd moreover, the farther the ships get away, the less damage and accuracy they are capable of doing.
Just so I'm clear, posting order goes:
Trinity
Corise (responding to both TNO posts, which is pretty weird)
Kach
Kraken
Correct?
Sounds fine to me.
Without his fancy KIBC to home him in, it would take several miniutes to calculate a jump. I have five Astruses, and a multitude of smaller ships. Each astrus carries 6 STLs, each as powerful as a planetary defense turbolaser. FIred into the bulk of an enemy fleet, even wildly, woudl do quite a bit of damage to smaller capital ships which woudl be vaporized by a single strike. Even if he just fired and fled, the random firings woudl hit something.
Did it ever occur to you that I could be using my KIBC? There are always patrols on the edges of systems looking for smugglers and other criminals. Alternatively, I could have a Redemption-class with me and its KIBC II, which is capable of making microjumps to areas with no nearby KDI ships. There's also the point that I could have simply blind-jumped.
And no, STLs are not as powerful as planetary turbolaser by any stretch. Consider this, from the Astrus-class R&D:
are per gun four times as powerful as a standard heavy turbolaser.
It's equal to four standard heavy turbolasers. Four standard heavy turbolasers don't destroy a frigate in a single hit, whereas a LNR does. THerefore, it is not as powerful as a planetary turbolaser.
As for the mines, I will go and edit my post now to give me some damage. And to put a group of minesweepers sweeping gaps through it now in case I must retreat. I dont' want to have a "Teth" pulled on me, do I?
No, but the mines won't all be destroyed. There are more than simple "Abolisher-style" Mines. And as well, the Shadowwrath and Merr-Sonn Defender. And as another big surprise, they're stealthy.
Granted, Corise was not given proper time to respond... but you're effectively arguing that a much more powerful fleet is incapable of destroying a handful of light, imaginary ships? I would expect a Astrus could reduce a Blockade Runner to a gutted hulk in a single volley from her STLs!
Agreed for the most part actually. I think a STL might be capable of complete vaporizing most corvettes. But that's the point...I was not given the proper time to respond to it all, and it does contradict with my previous post. As well, aren't you(Drayson) the one, that said destroying ships in a single post was a bad precident? This would be setting the precident then.
Excuse me if I don't feel any sympathy: the GC has argued pretty much EVERY action the Empire has made. Can I blow my nose without someone crying foul?
No, I will always cry foul for even touching the keyboard
But consider this: I can't think of any of those actions not being related to TNO inflicting immoderate amounts of damage to a KDI ship.
As I said, a microjump does not happen instantaniously.
Corise: "Let's microjump to the other side of the system and then fire a few missiles at them."
Captain: "Very good sir. Would you like another cup of tea? By the way, the jump is already under way."
No. Nyet. Nada.
You must sit there and calculate it just like any other old hyperspace jump. They could not have calculated it before I arrived, because my ships change the grav-spacetime-whateverthehell propertys of the space around metalorn, and so while they calculated the jump I shot at them. Plain and simple. If they want to fire a SINGLE long range volly while I pummel them, his problem. Maybe he was reinforcing his shields in the face of my supiror firepower, hmm? Knew he couldn't stand up to me, so he transferred weapons energy to shields and just held on while the navicomputers calculated it?
Do you want to discuss hyperphysics with me? Making a preproggramed jump isn't exactly impossible simply because your ships were there. Normal ships do not create mass-shadows, the sole exception being those equipped with gravity-wells. And with a minute charge-up time, those wouldn't be to stop my fleet from making the jump. The only time it would would be if we were at point-blank range, which we are obviously are not, since Kach has just agreed that the fleets were a long distance apart through the reference to a long-range volley.
And I am in agreement with Demos comment on Mr. Do Gooder's comment (that sounds bad). Anyways, the point of this thread is to ensure that both sides are playing it fairly, which regrettably does not always happen even with the Rpers of the best intentions and technical knowledge (yes, that includes me).
EDIT: Just finished reading Demo's post; as always, more comments.
And indeed, within a moment a new sphere of energy had encapsulated the enemy ship, protecting it again from weapons fire. But, as was the nature of backup shields, not nearly as well as her primary defences had.
Guess who's back-up shields are identical to their main ones? Yeah...
Tractor beams were designed for a ship to pull in enemies, but the Pegasus was larger and massed more than the EMPIRE. So instead of the smaller ship pulling the larger to her, the reverse happened: aided by her ion engines, the EMPIRE followed the Pegasus's roll, all the while pouring fire down into the breach in her shields.
I don't think so. That the Pegasus would be able to pull the EMPIRE in some instances is true. This is a case where it would not be. The EMPIRE and the Pegasus both have nearly the same amount of mass if the EMPIRE doesn't actually have more. This is because of hull shape and volume. For example, sphere will have more volume, and as such mass, than a shape of another size. I think you would understand this pretty easily because the same principle is used on the Attack Spheres.
The roll also had the effect of putting the Pegasus' substantial bulk between the EMPIRE and the second Star Destroyer, shielding the Imperial ship.
Where are you getting that from? THe Audacieuse is on your flank, and tractoring your ship as well, which would also make your tractoring movement to the Pegasus impossible because two forces acting on it from opposite directions.
And all the while, turbolaser and missile fire poured into the breach.
"Once more unto the breach," the Commodore murmured. Some old theatrical piece he had seen as a boy.
The heavy guns of the EMPIRE were taking their toll: her position to the aft of the enemy ship had given her a valuable target. Now, as the fire continued to mount, the first of the enemy ship's great ion engines flamed out.
See above.
Even an ion bolt could not easily penetrate the EMPIRE's unusually thick skin. A handful of turrets had lost tracking, but the enemy Star Destroyer presented a vast target, and that was really of little consequence. A further number had been disabled entirely, but the majority of the EMPIRE's guns continued to lance out pure bundles of destructive energy.
I want to see references as to how metal plating stops ionic energy, because there is no reason it should. Metals actually conduct energy, such as electricity.
The returning enemy bombers (what few remained) and capital ships had approached with the intent of targetting her. But the speed with which the Pegasus and the EMPIRE had swapped places put the Kashan flagship directly in the path of their fire. And only a fool would fire on his own side!
Indeed. See the tractoring comment above. As well, there are going to be over half the bombers left.
In actual fact, it was nothing of the sort. But it had arrived to where the EMPIRE ship had been, moments before. For the jump had been programmed before the Pegasus' roll, and now as it made its microjump along that predetermined path, it ended up on the opposite side of larger ship from its target.
Ah, no. Because the jump actually took place after the Pegasus rolled. So even the EMPIRE did manage to maneuver itself using tractor beams, it wouldn't have changed, because the KIBC II makes instanteous jumps to anywhere on the battlefield, just like your own battle computer.
