The Rebel Faction

EDIT#2: Kraken, my shields are still up on all ships. I only diverted energy from my turbolasers, shields should still be at full. I don't think a chain reaction is possible with raised shields.

Well that's the problem see. You never mentioned raising the shields on any of your ships, before or after they micro-jumped out of the system. The only shields you mentioned as being raised were the planetery shields.

You know, normally I would be forgiving, but seeing as how Corcise has pulled so much shit out of his ass already, I don't think I will be.

EDIT: I think I'll expand on my point a bit. While I love R&Ding and all that, I would gladly RP on a board enviorement if there was a huge limit or no R&Ds at all present. The reason for this being, is that these past five or six pages consisting of mainly what this person's tech can and cannot do is bullshit. Also, how is it that an only recently founded confederation, while yes it does have some support from a galatic goverment, suddenly come up with a huge fleet of highly advanced and technical warships, several minefields with a hundred million advanced mines, and constantly maintaing planetery defenses on full alert, all on short notice, and how the hell can they afford it? We've already passed off on a ton of shit on this thread. Doesn't mean we'll pass off on everything.

It would be awfully nice of Kraken to give Corise is the benefit of the doubt. But given the Coalition's precident in this thread, I see no reason why he should/would.

Yeah it would. But seeing how, as we've given him the benefit of the doubt several times already, and he's taken full advantage to exploit our own mistakes, I say it's time to stop letting him off easy.

Yes, Corise. It is 100% logical that your ships would raise shields before going into combat.

Just like it is 100% logical that TNO gunners would target the most apparent threat before anything else.

So it's a moot point - the GC set a precident regarding the rule of charity and the significance of specific details.

This is not Kaine's thread, no. But he is staff, and his (one!) post reflected that fact. You'll notice my comment towards Jan is not the first time this has come up: I said the same thing to Ben, and the same thing to Beff in another thread. I admit I did not say anything to Vos, yes. Does that make it any less true that it is not their thread? No.

The gravity well on the EMPIRE is an example only: yes, it was not specifically mentioned in the R&D. Few of its weapons were. It is a story vehicle.

The example of your cloaked ships is obvious: TNO purposefully deployed a rare ship designed to detect things with the knowledge that you utilize stealth technology. This point is not up for debate.

Kach's shields are up.

Regarding ray shields vs. partical shields: again an area of contradiction, as there is canon evidence supporting the idea that the same shields intercept missiles and lasers (the one that comes to mind is the X-wing books).

This debate has been had, and one of the issues brought forth has been the fact that partical shields are designed for low-velocity, low-damage collisions (i.e. meteors). That's quite a difference from high explosive warheads.

There is a huge difference in asking for someone to describe how they find a cloaked ship and saying "oh, you didn't specifically mention that your shields are up, so they aren't". In the first, someone put effort into making a ship that has the advantage of not being able to be seen easily. In the second, someone forgot to add the words "Shields Up".

Similarily, the R&D rules CLEARLY state that the ship must have a detailed description. This description would have to include something as specialized as a gravity well generator for it to be allowed. Especially since it was mentioned in the same R&D for a different version of the ship, but not that one. Where as previous staff rulings stated that people should not take advantage of their opponent forgetting to say shields up.

Regardless of whether he stated his shields are up, PARTICLE shields are ALWAYS up. They are what protect a ship from meteorites and other small space objects when a ship is just there in space and especially when a ship is in hyperspace (which would not be a "low-velocity" impact at all). Furthermore, unlike that you say, particle shields are the ONLY way to stop missiles and such. Why else would ships have to lower their particle shields to launch fighters and missiles? And I can start quoting the Essential Guide to Weapons and Technology again on this point. They wouldn't be completely effective against the projectile shells being used, but they would do something to slow them down/stop them.

On the issue of the ships that TNO targetted.

When TNO started firing, the only GC ships in firing range where cloaked or freighers. So you had no option but to fire on the freighters (because the Contegorian fleet came out of hyperspace at the newly extended range of the Interdictor and therefore not within conventional firing range of the Imperials. So it made sense your ships would fire on the only available target.


As for the Surveyor

The point is that the Surveyor uses a CGT, which is inconclusive close to a planet (which in this case it is). However, you will note that I did propose a compromise on this.